recently, somewhere on the internet

1st guy: The fundamental laws of physics are CPT invariant.
But we know that we need to handle the past differently than the future and Bayesian inference proves this too.

2nd guy: But why is the future so different from the past?
Well, I can explain that if I assume initial conditions with low entropy.
But why would the initial state have low entropy?
Wait, I can explain that with some cosmological mumbo-jumbo.

1st guy: This just shows how stupid that 2nd guy is. We know that entropy always increases. This is a fact. Therefore it follows that the entropy was lower at the beginning of the universe and all that mumbo-jumbo is not needed and just crazy.

3rd guy: Hey 1st guy - have you never heard of Loschmidt?

1st guy: Loschmidt's paradox only arises once someone adds the assumption that reconstructions of the entropy in the past are made by the same methods as predictions for the future.

3rd guy: I happen to have Mr. Loschmidt here, let's ask him about that ...

This is the nice and clean version of that dispute. Reality was of course a bit more ugly ... and I made up the ending.

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

If you assume time reversal invariance at the micro scale, my paradox always applies

-- Jo Jo L

CapitalistImperialistPig said...

Physics Stack Exchangeon Loschmidt

wolfgang said...

CIP,

yes I pointed to this answer, because (despite some poor wording) it says it best: L's paradox is not just the statement that an irreversible behavior cannot be derived from reversible fundamental laws.

It is the statement that the H-theorem fails in half of the (a priori) possible cases.

And it seemd clear to me that in this debate some people were not aware of that ...